Terry McGuire is an award-winning journalist and news anchor turned mental health and hope advocate. The Giving Voice to Depression podcast that she created and cohosts has been downloaded more than 2.5 million times, and ranks in the top 1% of global podcasts.
Terry McGuire is an award-winning journalist and news anchor turned mental health and hope advocate. The Giving Voice to Depression podcast that she created and cohosts has been downloaded more than 2.5 million times, and ranks in the top 1% of global podcasts.
This article is a summary of a powerful and candid episode of the Giving Voice to Depression podcast, hosted by Terry McGuire. In this episode, Terry and Dr. Anita Sanz speak with Wally, a U.S. Coast Guard veteran, mental health advocate, and survivor of childhood abuse and chronic pain. Wally lives with daily suicidal ideation, and bravely shares their perspective to help dismantle stigma, promote understanding, and encourage honest conversations.
While conversations around suicide often trigger alarm, this episode asks listeners to pause, listen, and reflect. It introduces a more nuanced understanding of suicidal ideation as something that can be chronic and managed—not always an emergency, but always important. Through Wally’s story, the episode makes space for honesty and complexity, ultimately showing how lived experience can be a source of both pain and profound insight.
A major theme in this episode is the distinction between suicidal ideation and suicidal intent. As Dr. Anita Sanz explains, suicidal thoughts fall on a continuum—from passive thoughts like “I wish I wouldn’t wake up” to active planning or attempts.
The Columbia Suicide Severity Rating Scale (CSSRS) is one evidence-based tool to help assess the degree of risk. It asks questions such as:
As Wally clarified:
I’m not in a position where I need to be saved. I’m in a position where I’d rather talk about anything but that, because I’m managing it.
Wally is vocal about the need for open, honest dialogue—without the knee-jerk panic that often surrounds the word “suicide.”
As Wally explained:
When we attach the stigma of shame and guilt to these words, then we send a lot of conversations into the closet.
Panic reactions can silence people who most need to be heard. Wally urges a shift away from assumptions and toward curious, compassionate questions.
Wally lives with chronic physical and emotional pain, stemming from childhood abuse, multiple traumatic brain injuries, and a life-altering fall during military service.
As Wally recalled:
I basically broke every bone on my body from my skull to my right knee… Within a few months, it had become chronic.
Pain affects Wally daily:
Chronic pain can be an overlooked risk factor for suicidal ideation, making it essential to treat both physical and emotional suffering together.
Wally doesn’t just talk about surviving—they have created structured systems to manage their mental health proactively. One of these is a daily mental health inventory, adapted from AA materials:
Wally’s Daily Check-In Includes:
As Wally described:
I call it a check-in and an inventory because it just sees where I am.
This self-awareness practice helps Wally take an honest look at their mental state before it escalates.
Wally credits mindfulness and breathwork as life-saving tools they use regularly:
As Wally shared:
I can bring my heart rate from like 200 on a bad anxiety attack down to 60 in about 20 minutes, just with my breathing.
These techniques help regulate their nervous system, particularly since brain injuries have impaired their thermoregulation and heart-rate control.
Other practices they use include:
Wally uses a three-tier personal assessment system to gauge when they need more support:
As Wally explained:
If managing my suicide ideation becomes what I call a full-time job, I activate my plan.
Having this internal “early warning system” helps Wally act before thoughts escalate.
One of Wally’s biggest messages is that unsolicited help isn’t always helpful. Instead of reacting with panic, try asking clear, respectful questions.
As Wally poetically noted:
Unsolicited help is not help. It’s an assumption inhabiting a spot better filled with questions.
Questions Wally recommends:
These questions open the door for meaningful, nonjudgmental conversation.
Wally’s honesty reminds us that for some, suicidal ideation is not a crisis—it’s a constant. They manage it the way someone else might manage diabetes or chronic pain.
As Wally clarified:
I ideate nearly every day: the pain is that bad. I’m not suicidal at that point. Don’t try to save me… I manage it.
This doesn’t mean they’re in danger—it means they need support, tools, and acceptance.
Wally deeply values supporting others in crisis, but also recognizes the importance of boundaries.
As Wally explained:
If they’re suicidal, then I say, do you want to get some help on this? Because I can’t help you with this… I have boundaries.
While empathy is essential, burnout and vicarious trauma are real. It’s okay—and necessary—to know your limits.
Wally sees value in sitting with others through hard conversations—not to fix them, but to witness and validate their pain.
As Wally expressed:
There’s just no practice on how to talk about these things.
Creating a world where suicidal thoughts can be talked about without fear can:
Dr. Anita Sanz urges therapists, doctors, and loved ones to respond proportionally to suicidal ideation:
As Dr. Sanz emphasized:
Just having thoughts and ideation does not mean that a person is actively suicidal or needs to be immediately hospitalized.
When professionals and peers overreact, it can cause people to hide their distress. The right response might be:
This episode doesn’t offer easy answers—but it does offer honesty, clarity, and hope. Wally’s story stands as a reminder that even amid immense pain, it is possible to develop a meaningful life, one grounded in routine, self-awareness, and purposeful dialogue.
We see how tools like mindfulness, mental health check-ins, and open conversations can allow people like Wally to live—not just survive. These aren’t miracle cures, and they don’t erase the pain. But they do make space for healing, choice, and agency.
Their courage to speak openly—despite stigma, misunderstanding, and chronic suffering—is not just brave; it’s generous. It teaches others how to hold pain without judgment, how to build systems that protect life, and how to meet people where they are.
As Terry eloquently put it:
If someone else is struggling, take the time to listen.
The invitation is simple, yet radical: talk about it. Listen. Be present. You don’t need all the answers. Sometimes, showing up and asking the right question is enough to shift everything. This episode reminds us that mental health conversations don’t always have to be emergency interventions—they can also be everyday acts of connection, compassion, and care.
If Wally’s story resonates with you, or if you know someone who navigates similar waters, let this article be a starting point for dialogue. Let it encourage you to check in—on others and yourself—with curiosity and kindness. and yourself—with curiosity and kindness.
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