Terry McGuire is an award-winning journalist and news anchor turned mental health and hope advocate. The Giving Voice to Depression podcast that she created and cohosts has been downloaded more than 2.5 million times, and ranks in the top 1% of global podcasts.
Terry McGuire is an award-winning journalist and news anchor turned mental health and hope advocate. The Giving Voice to Depression podcast that she created and cohosts has been downloaded more than 2.5 million times, and ranks in the top 1% of global podcasts.
Families rarely get a neat storyline when mental illness is part of their history. They get real life: messy, loving, contradictory, and often courageous. In this conversation, veteran investigative journalist and memoirist Meg Kissinger shares the truth of growing up in a large Irish Catholic family where depression, bipolar disorder, psychosis, and two sibling suicides coexisted with laughter, neighborhood joy, and loyal affection. Terry and Carly invite Meg to unpack lessons from her reporting on the U.S. mental health system and from the heartbreaks and hard-won wisdom inside her own home.
Below are 12 takeaways—practical, humane ways families and communities can reduce discrimination (often mislabeled as “stigma”), make space for grief, and move toward connection and help.
Words matter because they shape what we believe we can change. Terry underscores that the problem isn’t merely vague “stigma”; it is discrimination—policies, attitudes, and actions that deny people with mental illness full dignity. Meg echoes that reframing, noting that discrimination puts the moral spotlight where it belongs: on the systems and behaviors that harm, exclude, or silence people.
Meg explained:
My number one wish is that people would see people living with serious mental illness as human beings and not discriminate against them, not consider them to be a burden and not consider to have caused their mental illness through some kind of character flaw or bad parenting, not a moral failing. It’s an illness that affects people who need help. And not to put the burden on them to prove that they are worthy of our care and our love and our concern.
This shift is crucial: stigma is internalized, but discrimination can be named, challenged, and dismantled.
Meg’s family story holds both pain and delight. Even with serious illnesses and tragedies, she remembers a childhood rich with neighborhood fun, sibling closeness, and humor. Terry highlights a phrase that becomes a throughline for the episode: “shown in all of their humanity.” Meg’s memoir does not curate out the hard parts—but neither does it flatten people into diagnoses.
Terry emphasized:
Shown in all their humanity. Boy, let that phrase settle in for a minute. Imagine how different the world would be for those of us who live with mental illnesses or mental health conditions if that is how they were understood.
Families are never just the sum of their hardships. By holding joy alongside struggle, they remind us that identity is larger than illness.
As a reporter and as a sister, Meg pushes back on the shame-based storylines that still cling to mental illness. She calls out the cultural reflex to treat depression, bipolar disorder, or schizophrenia as character flaws or poor parenting outcomes. Instead, she urges a posture of care over blame.
Meg explained:
People living with mental illness are not problems to fix but human beings deserving of care, respect, and full citizenship.
This means swapping judgment for compassion, suspicion for understanding, and isolation for inclusion.
Silence teaches children to feel ashamed and to question their own perceptions. As a little girl, Meg noticed her mother’s absences and her father’s mercurial swings but had no words—and no adult guidance—to understand what was happening. Without information, children make meaning around self-blame (“What did I do to make Mom leave?”).
Meg shared:
My mother struggled with depression and anxiety. Of course, we didn’t know—those were words that were never spoken in our house. And we were never sat down and told that. It’s just what we observed.
Breaking silence doesn’t require brutal honesty; it requires gentle, age-appropriate truth that removes shame.
When Meg’s sister Nancy died by suicide, the family faced an impossible bind common in their era: protect religious rites by calling it an accident, or tell the truth and risk condemnation. Fear and shame won in the moment, and the children absorbed the message that suicide deaths must be hidden.
Meg recalled:
That night my dad gathered us all into the living room and looked at us sternly. And said, if anybody asks, this was an accident, which of course is a scary thing to hear. And the takeaway is that this is something to be ashamed of.
Today, survivors have more freedom to tell the truth. Honesty allows communities to rally, grief to be shared, and legacies to be remembered with dignity.
Years after Nancy’s death, Meg’s brother Danny voiced suicidal thoughts during a walk. Startled and depleted, Meg told him to “shut up.” She regrets that now—and shares the story to help others learn a simpler, more helpful response.
Meg reflected:
I’m so sorry. And that’s understandable. And that it’s normal. A lot of people feel that way. You’re no different… I’m here for you. There’s a lot of really good things you can say. “Shut up” is not one of them.
Terry added:
Listen, don’t challenge them. Don’t say but you have so much to be grateful for. Don’t say how could you be sad? Listen to them. And I have now interviewed dozens of attempt survivors… What would have helped? What could someone have done? Listened, they could have listened.
The most powerful tool isn’t advice—it’s presence.
Carly shares a memorable, low-pressure check-in she and Terry use with each other: “Do you want to be heard, helped, or hugged?” It’s easy to remember, especially when emotions spike, and it respects the person’s agency.
Carly explained:
Sometimes I’ll call and you say, do you want my help and advice or do you just want me to listen? And sometimes, I just want you to listen… ‘Heard, helped, or hugged’ can be really powerful.
This tool defuses panic and restores clarity in tense or emotional moments.
Not everyone wants to write a book, post on social, or speak publicly. Meg makes it clear that openness has many forms.
Meg emphasized:
Not everybody’s meant to write a book or speak publicly about it. It starts with really just acknowledging that mental illness is nothing to be ashamed of… Stand up for yourself and ask for what you need.
Respect looks like meeting people where they are, not forcing disclosure.
Terry notes how families track cardiology history without blinking, yet stumble when asked about psychiatric history. Meg’s scientist sister frames it simply: we hunt for symptoms to understand causes and find cures.
Meg explained:
How the heck are we ever gonna get on top of helping people with these big time illnesses—depression, anxiety, schizophrenia—if we don’t talk about it? If we’re silent about it then we’re not gonna understand it.
Recording family mental health history creates a map that can guide care across generations.
Even people who talk about this professionally can freeze with fear when someone discloses suicidal thinking. Terry reminds listeners that perfection isn’t required.
Terry reflected:
Easier said than done but also easier than what we might think we have to do… If we can all learn that’s what’s needed, that’s what helps.
What matters is humility and the willingness to circle back if you stumble.
Carly points out a hopeful arc: seeds planted quietly in one generation sometimes bloom into fuller truth in the next. Meg’s family eventually embraced her writing as a form of processing.
Carly reflected:
Being seen in all of your humanity seems like it would be the most humiliating thing ever. But it’s also showing everything that’s right about your family… Meg does such a beautiful job of holding the both-and of her family and the pain and the joy and the humor and the deep connection.
Generational shifts take time, but each act of honesty loosens shame’s grip.
Perhaps the most practical medicine woven through the episode is this: keep showing up for joy. Meg refuses to let illness or loss define the totality of her family.
Meg shared:
I just think if more people kind of took that example and went with it they’d be better. I think just knowing that you’re not alone at all. There’s many, many people who are going through what you are and we’re in it together.
Connection doesn’t cancel pain—it companions it.
Meg Kissinger’s story is both intensely personal and universally resonant. Her memoir, and her conversation with Terry and Carly, remind us that mental illness is not a moral failure—it’s a human experience. Families can carry unthinkable loss and still cultivate laughter, closeness, and resilience. Communities can choose to respond with compassion rather than shame.
Healing does not happen in a single sweeping gesture. It happens in listening when it feels uncomfortable, in telling the truth even when it feels risky, and in showing up for one another day after day. Whether through conversation, small rituals of joy, or simply sitting with someone in silence, these practices accumulate into hope.
The most radical act families can take is to insist on connection—connection that tells the truth, makes space for grief, and still celebrates life in all its ordinary, messy humanity.
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